Someone running for the office is saying what needs to be said.
His name is Mike Gravel.
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Big surprise…. his parents were Canadian. The States could do a lot worse than Gravel. Maybe Kucinich for vice?
Mike Gravel
May 3, 2007 · 13 Comments
Categories: America · Mike Gravel · U.S. Politics · activism · anti-war protest · news · politics · youtubidness
13 responses so far ↓
Adam Abeles // May 3, 2007 at 5:11 am |
PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, MIKE GRAVEL appears on The Colbert Report with Stephen Colbert!!!!! Good stuff from MIKE GRAVEL as always!!! He STEALS the show!!! (more)
Jose // May 3, 2007 at 5:13 am |
Once Senator Gravel has got on the campaign to become a President of the US his local responsibilities in his state will be abandoned and he will fight for the central government. His state without his presence may be weaker or not, depending on whom takes the reins. If we want to be strong in the capital of a country, then we must start by being strong in our locality, we must be stronger here than there, which is the only way to start weakening the Leviathan state and strengthening the power of the inhabitants of a country. Inhabitants are more important than Presidents.
1loneranger // May 3, 2007 at 5:24 am |
True true Jose. Don’t worry, Alaska will be fine- less than a million up thar in the hinterland.
Alaskans are a pretty independent and self governing bunch to begin with.
Could Gravel set the stage for a strong local government movement? I wonder….
1loneranger // May 3, 2007 at 5:26 am |
Saw Gravel on Colbert tonight. Great stuff.
Winter Patriot // May 3, 2007 at 5:29 am |
JOSE: Senator Mike Gravel served in the Senate from 1969 to 1981. His state will be in no way weaker without his presence and nobody will “take the reins”. Somebody with your grasp of the facts has no business making predictions about anything.
In the United States there at least 180 million people who hate Bush and his wars and the number may be more like 280 million and yet the country continues to go in the direction the twice-unelected “President” wants to take it. If ever there was a clear demonstration of relative power I am not aware of it. And your bullshit about Inhabitants being more important than Presidents is the most ludicrous thing I have ever read … since the part about somebody having to take the reins from Mike Gavel.
ADAM: Thanks, I hadn’t seen that link. I think I might use it on my blog.
RANGER: Nice post. Thanks for that. I hope most of your readers are better informed than Jose there. LOL.
To avoid more informatio on Mike Gavel and a pile of other boring stuff too, please don’t read my blog
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com
1loneranger // May 3, 2007 at 5:44 am |
WP,
You’ve obviously not done your homework and taken the time to read Jose’s own wonderful blog. He is more well informed than you know and has a bigger picture in mind with his comment re: Gravel I believe. I don’t censor on my blog but if you can’t refrain from badgering my friends and guests I will have to unleash a wrath of hot shit on your ass.
Don’t jump to conclusions from glancing at short comments on other peoples blogs. It makes you look like a reactionary trying pathetically to endorse your own site.
Other than that….. “cheers” thanks for stopping by.
1loneranger // May 3, 2007 at 6:17 am |
I know of Nader saying that “the most important office to achieve in America is that of the full-time citizen”.
I say that goes for anywhere.
Jose // May 3, 2007 at 7:52 am |
WP,
Thankful to be the object of your ire and… you have given a sample of what your thoughts are in your comment. Worth to be taken into account.
Winter Patriot // May 3, 2007 at 8:09 am |
OOPS!
Don’t jump to conclusions from glancing at short comments on other peoples blogs.
Guilty as charged. I apologize both to you and to Jose.
It makes you look like a reactionary trying pathetically to endorse your own site.
Neither of these are true so apparently I left the wrong impression.
I am anything but reactionary. And I was trying to endorse Mike Gravel, not my site per se.
The following comment is intended as an explanation (since one is clearly due) rather than an excuse …
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I’ve seen way too much BS in what is supposedly a reality-based community. After a while some of it starts looking as though it was placed there to distract us. I get really testy when that happens, perhaps too testy perhaps, but what Jose’s comment looked like to me was something that a genuine good-guy would say (i.e. to identify the comment as of a particular political stripe), preceded by something not only false but easily disproven (i.e. self-discrediting) and all building toward a very unhelpful conclusion (i.e. I took the bit about his state and the comment about individuals being more important than presidents to mean Jose was saying Gavel shouldn’t be running and it wouldn’t matter anyway because he would be more powerful as a citizen than he would as president.)
In other words, I thought Jose was a bad-guy disguised as a good-guy. And nothing ticks me off as much as the way they always try to slime us.
… as I say, not meaning to justify my reaction (which was, I agree, over the top) especially if, as you say, it was completely uncalled for.
… so: maybe it would have been best if I had read both your blogs before I said anything at all here … but as the man says “it’s too late for that now”.
You appear to welcome civil discussion and as I am normally a very civil guy, so I suppose the next question is whether you can explain to me what you mean by that Nader quote.
If it’s saying “It sure would be a good thing if everybody took their citizenship seriously” then I am all for it.
But if it means to imply that one would be more important as a citizen than as president, then my previous comment stands (but with none of the snark, let alone the vitriol!)
More apologies too. Jose’s blog certainly doesn’t look like the work of a bad-guy.
peace?
anticant // May 3, 2007 at 9:40 am |
Welcome, Winter Patriot, to our as yet small but growing international debating community centred around ranger’s and Jose’s blogs with occasional throw-ins from myself and others. I think you’ll find we are all civilized people with our hearts in the right place, desperately worried about the present dire state of the world and groping for answers. We don’t always agree about everything, but stay best friends even when we squabble. Please join us.
How about a “Mike Gravel for President” global support thread?
Jose // May 3, 2007 at 10:22 am |
WP,
PEACE is the word. Now to the task of trying to expose our good intentions, which I anticipate will be great in your case. A citizen is never more important than a President, to be adamant in this opinion would be insane, indeed. The ensemble of citizens are more important than a President and democratically speaking this is incontrovertible. Citizens in their majority should in all cases hold the key to the smooth running of a country.
1loneranger // May 3, 2007 at 2:46 pm |
WP-
You said:
“maybe it would have been best if I had read both your blogs before I said anything at all here.”
It’s never too late for anything. Apologies accepted. Cheers.
Always a good idea to check for snakes before you take a crap in the woods. This is something that should be pre-requisite before blasting into some unfamiliar blog. Thanks for your homework.
And thanks for coming back. I’d checked your site last night and it looks interesting. You are welcomed to contribute to things here. Most participating at this site are searching for ‘common sense’ information and a bit of entertainment from time to time. The action here is almost always civil.
The Nader reference, I take as pretty straight forward and thought it added to the vibe of this and other recent posts of mine . I am of the mind that it is in the best interest of the individual citizen to be as informed and active as is possible for them. The office of the president should be the ultimate position of citizenry where one upholds and practices the basic principles of ‘civic virtue’ to the highest standard.
Peace.
Anti-
My knowledge of Gravel is superficial at this time.. I am attempting to remedy that. From my first impressions as a certified AmeriCanadian wackjob I think Gravel is extremely passionate (perhaps too much so, but given the state of affairs and his past trials and tribulations, I understand his emotion) and I think he has the best intentions of the citizen in mind, not the best intentions of the lobbies or corps. He seems to be speaking from a podium of truth and concern. This is something very rare in the current pudknockers running for the office.
We’ll see where it goes. I could endorse this guy if he surrounds himself with the right people.
If he starts quoting Chomsky and Nader, I’m going to send him some money.
Cheers
Emmy // December 26, 2007 at 9:13 am |
Mike Gravel: America should pull out from Iraq
Mike Gravel says America is in Iraq for oil; outlines plan to pull troops out from Iraq.